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Post by Chris Ball on Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:40 am

Hello everyone,
Starting today is my Special Album thread which used to run on the Cemex Forum (now called the Anglers Forum). This will run fortnightly and for those who haven’t followed it before, it will feature pictures and stories from carp fishing’s past, the outstanding and usual will be told over the coming months (and years).

For the many fans of historic carp fishing I’ll be the studio guest on Keith Arthur Tight Lines angling programme on Sky Sports 3 on Friday 29th March around 7pm.

Hilton’s first maggot caught twenty
Fishing for the Redmire Pool carp took a turn for the better when in September 1968 Bill Quinlan first tasted success using maggots. Though this bait had been used some years before (by Roger Bowskill) intense study of the carp’s reaction to various baits by Quinlan and Jack Hilton worried them greatly - the fish seem to spook off everything they tried. However, as mentioned maggots had been used by Bill in the early autumn of 1968 and the first sizable fish he banked was 17½lb common caught on the float. This was followed a little later when Bill lowered a bunch of maggots under the top tip when fishing the shallows - the eventual result was a super 20lb 2oz mirror.

With this success the following season was to became ‘maggot mania’ time and Jack Hilton and Bill would often arrive with a few gallons of maggots for a session. In July 1969 one evening just before dark Jack went down to the big weeping willow near the dam (long since gone) and threw handfuls of maggots right under the overhanging fronds. The following morning he went along to bait up again and stumbled on three carp feeding on the maggots. After they melted away he again sprinkled in the spot with the little wriggly beauties. He soon returned with a rod (and Bill for company) and dropped a baited hook right on the spot.

Not long after he received a steady run and although the fish got stuck in thick weed somehow or other Jack managed to bring it to the net. Amid a mass of weed there lay Jack’s prize, a magnificent 20lb 3oz common - his first twenty pound maggot caught carp.

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Post by chris63 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:13 am

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Thanks for bringing your special album to Stoney and Friends. it always makes great viewing/reading and I'm sure will be appreciated by all on here.
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Post by Stubill on Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:08 pm

It's good to have my first fix of the Special Album after months of cold turkey, looking forward to my next fix already.

Great read and picture as usual Chris.

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Post by Paul Bennett on Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:05 pm

Stubill wrote:It's good to have my first fix of the Special Album after months of cold turkey, looking forward to my next fix already.

Great read and picture as usual Chris.

As above good to get a fix of the Special Album as usual great picture & story keep them coming cheers Paul.

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Post by carphooker on Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:14 pm

Nice one Chris , glad to see the special album back up and running
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Post by TomL on Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:18 pm

I do love a bit of carping history , Cheers Chris

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Post by Bob on Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:05 pm

Fantastic, love the old Carp stories.
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Post by HAPPYANGLERALEX on Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:26 pm

nostalgia keeps us going, well done
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Post by THOMMO on Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:42 pm

Theres something about those black and white redmire photos of Jack and Bill, Tom and others that make you feel you're right there

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Post by growler on Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:40 pm

Wonderful photo, the pic in the Redmire Pool book is rather splendid too!

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Post by THOMMO on Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:10 pm

Jack was the one person who motivated me to specialise, first for carp and then onto barbel, his single mindedness and attention to detail inspired me as a wet round the ear toe rag to focus on something meaningful and still do to this day

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Post by Chris Ball on Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:14 am

‘Bazil’ breaks the 40lb mark

One of the most enigmatic and revered carp in the rich heritage of carp fishing began life at a Bedfont fishery in Middlesex during the 1960s. Like a small number of other carp it was later transferred to a then little known complex of lakes on the Surrey/Hampshire border named Yateley. This carp was released into the North Lake at Yateley and all was forgotten for a number of years. Come the mid 1970s and the North Lake drew a small band of specialist anglers who were intent on catching the big tench the water held. They noticed the odd big carp floating around and one of their number, Len Arbery, mentioned it to a friend, Hull carp specialist Kevin Clifford. Armed with sweetcorn Kev bumped into the biggest of the carp present in the North Lake almost straightaway at 30lb 30z in 1976.

In four short years this carp packed on the pounds and come October 1980 fell to experienced Kent based carp angler Chris Ridington at an amazing weight of 41lb 5oz - the first time over the hallowed 40-pound mark. It was the second forty to be landed on a revelation that was about to hit the carp world - the Hair Rig.

In the dozens of captures over the next 20-years the now named ‘Bazil’ the monster mirror never fell below the 40lb mark until its death in 2001. It remains easily one of the iconic big carp that ever lived within our shores


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Post by Stoney on Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:50 am

Chris, would that have been the old Leisure Sport Angling fishery in Bedfont ?

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Post by Jim on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:01 am

I don't want to try and correct the carp guru that is Sir Chris Ball, but I thought Bazil originally come from the Sutton complex when the water levels was dangerously low it was moved to Yateley in 1975 at around 20lb. It was caught this year but I don't know what the weight was but the capture of it in 1976 at over 30lb did show he was doing very well it his new home and putting that wieght on.

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Post by Chris Ball on Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:16 pm

Jim wrote:I don't want to try and correct the carp guru that is Sir Chris Ball, but I thought Bazil originally come from the Sutton complex when the water levels was dangerously low it was moved to Yateley in 1975 at around 20lb. It was caught this year but I don't know what the weight was but the capture of it in 1976 at over 30lb did show he was doing very well it his new home and putting that wieght on.

Senior moment lads... what made me mention Bedfont in connection with Bazil god only knows, (getting confused with the Black Mirror from the Mere.) Have written about fish being moved from Sutton when it all but dried up in the mid 1970s to Yateley a number of times over the years. So I’ll correct the original text with the following:-
“One of the most enigmatic and revered carp in the rich heritage of carp fishing began life at Sutton in Kent during the 1960s.”
Must go a sit in the naughty corner for an hour!
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Post by chris63 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:26 pm

lol - the joys of dementia Very Happy
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Post by Jim on Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:29 am

Chris Ball wrote:
Jim wrote:I don't want to try and correct the carp guru that is Sir Chris Ball, but I thought Bazil originally come from the Sutton complex when the water levels was dangerously low it was moved to Yateley in 1975 at around 20lb. It was caught this year but I don't know what the weight was but the capture of it in 1976 at over 30lb did show he was doing very well it his new home and putting that wieght on.

Senior moment lads... what made me mention Bedfont in connection with Bazil god only knows, (getting confused with the Black Mirror from the Mere.) Have written about fish being moved from Sutton when it all but dried up in the mid 1970s to Yateley a number of times over the years. So I’ll correct the original text with the following:-
“One of the most enigmatic and revered carp in the rich heritage of carp fishing began life at Sutton in Kent during the 1960s.”
Must go a sit in the naughty corner for an hour!

LOL, hope you had a good time in the naughty corner. I would of blamed it on the wine but as Chris63 has said dementia I'll forget about it. Great write ups Mr Ball, looking forward to the next one as I always do.

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Post by growler on Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:21 am

Hi Chris

I was reading Quest for Carp last night. Do you have any info/images about Peter Frost's captures at Tiddingfoot? Would be very interested to read more...

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Post by Chris Ball on Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:11 pm

growler wrote:Hi Chris
I was reading Quest for Carp last night. Do you have any info/images about Peter Frost's captures at Tiddingfoot? Would be very interested to read more...

I did an Historic Carp Waters piece on Tiddingfoot in May 2012 issue of Carpworld. If you can’t lay your hands on it - maybe the next installment of The Special Album (next week) I’ll do a piece on Pete Frost and Tiddingfoot.
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Post by growler on Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:39 pm

That would be nice, afraid to say the mags don't really float my boat these days!

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Post by Chris Ball on Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:59 am

Tiddenfoot makes it’s mark

On opening evening, June 16th 1960, Pete Frost, during a roach fishing session, decided to cast out a legered crust on a carp rod setup. To make matters a little more unusual he held the rod while he felt the line for a bite. Within two hours a fish was hooked, but then it took Pete nearly 2½-hours of patience and skillful handling with just 5lb line to bring the biggie to the net. Not bad for his first double-figure carp for it tipped the scales at 25lb!

The following Thursday, 23rd June, Pete was back again in the same pitch. Amazingly, exactly one week almost to the minute after the 25-pounder had been caught, his rod once again signaled a run. This time as a precaution he’d wisely stepped up to 7lb line and with the increased strength of the tackle it took Pete under 10-minutes to conquer the season’s biggest recorded carp - a wonderful specimen of 31lb. To put this capture in context, at the time it was only the second carp weighing over 30lb to come from a water other than Redmire Pool besides it being the seventh largest ever!

Only a few weeks after Pete’s epic catches, another fine mirror was captured from Tiddenfoot, again from the shallow water area, a 23lb near fully-scaled mirror to noted Luton-based angler John Ginnifer.

Interestingly, two out of the three carp I’ve mentioned were damn near fully-scaled mirrors, and after close examination appear to be different fish.

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Post by levigsp on Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:47 am

What a great Photo and tale, you dont see many trophy shots like that these days.
Thank you for sharing.

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Post by Paul Bennett on Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:00 am

Outstanding Mr Ball thank you.

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Post by paulboyce1989 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:12 am

I have something for everyone to think about, after reading loads about redmire, I think that the bishop was the only big fish in the pool after years and years the only big fish out the pool was the bishop, if there was other big fish like people say I think they would of slipped up by now just like the bishop did in 16 June 1980, people say they have seen monster fish but why they not been to the bank yet. The bishop meet the bank many times before it hit the record weight.

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Post by growler on Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:46 pm

levigsp wrote:What a great Photo and tale, you dont see many trophy shots like that these days.
Thank you for sharing.

I've always thought there is never a need for real tree uniforms that you see nowadays! Very Happy

A good story, amazing capture for the time...

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