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Are we overbaiting?

Post by Kevin on Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:43 pm

I can remember when a heavy baiting session was a couple of 10oz mixes, but it seems more and more common to use several kilos at a time. Personally I suspect that, if we all stuck to minimal baiting levels, then we'd catch a lot more - a lot of once prolific lakes seem to be getting harder.
I can certainly remember times at Horton when it was fishing poorly, let still seeing tens of kilos of baiot per day - I'm sure the two are related?
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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by HAPPYANGLERALEX on Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:24 pm

I think you are right, on shoulder to shoulder/social lakes, its heavy spodding and kgs of bait to try to get the fish into your swim.

and this keeps the carp permanently topped up looking for tit bits, getting very choosy.


but on large remote lakes with few carpers, that can be the way.

it all depends on your type of carping.

rammed out or remote.
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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Onslow on Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:51 pm

I've found putting some bait in a few days before fishing to remind the fish of where the dinner plate is, but I tend to then fish over light beds of bait to start with and top up depending on activity.

I certainly wouldn't turn up on a day pile in 5 kilo's then sit on it for 48 hours
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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Danny on Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:15 pm

I was fishing a small lake around 2.5acres around 15 years ago and it was always the rumour "dont put loads of bait n, it kills the fishing", anyway this lad turns up opposite and proceeds to set up and then starts loading his swim up with bait around 6-7kg of boilies... In 24hrs he took a 30 and 2 20's...

I always fish on a basis of small scattering (around 15 boilies) and little and often, someone once said if you stick out 500 boilies your chances are 500/1 why would you do that and thats without what the last agler stuck in your swim.

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Elty on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:01 pm

but with all the bait going in the weights are increasing! and lets face it, thats all that matters! Neutral

i find its so dependent on the situation. there are times that loads of bait will keep the fish in your swim long enough for the fish to get condifent enough to make a mistake. other times just haivng the one option means that that nosey or peckish fish is as good as on the mat!

i know one thing though, i have never turned up and put out more than 3kgs in one go. too scared!

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by MooseMan on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:41 pm

I tend to stick to a pattern that has mostly been consistent. Fish over light scattering/couple of pouchfuls of bait, then providing it doesn't upset anyone elses fishing, spread a good 1-3kgs of bait around the area before leaving.

Obviously this is aimed at a water that you fish regularly!
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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Danny on Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:21 pm

Elty - weight increase is not all that matters for me its about going somewhere having as good chance as the next angler and not seeing someone load it up with 100kg of bolie cause he can therefor shutting the lake down for the next 3 weeks... If i catch a decent looking 18lb then id be just as happy then catching a 40..

I chase the peace and quiet and setting not the trophy shot or next big bait deal.

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by HAPPYANGLERALEX on Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:21 pm

Hi, if everybody just scatters a couple of kg it mounts up, just a thought.

ie 10 carpers x 2 kg each = affraid
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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Elty on Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:57 pm

Danny wrote:Elty - weight increase is not all that matters for me its about going somewhere having as good chance as the next angler and not seeing someone load it up with 100kg of bolie cause he can therefor shutting the lake down for the next 3 weeks... If i catch a decent looking 18lb then id be just as happy then catching a 40..

I chase the peace and quiet and setting not the trophy shot or next big bait deal.

think you may have missed the tongue in cheek nature of my comment Dan.

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Danny on Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:20 pm

Elty - read again sincere apologies mate.... jocolor

am at work so respond and read as quickly as i can lool ..

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by DaveS on Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:29 pm

I found it good and cheaper to bait lightly around the margins and then fish singles or a stringer. I've done ok on that strategy, however, I usually only fish days or a single night so filling it in would be a waste of time and money for me.

Also when others fill it in, fail to catch then leave, a pop up over their ton of bait often does the business.

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Elty on Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:03 pm

A guy I knew used to do this a lot when I was fishing k1 and it used to really annoy everyone.

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by HAPPYANGLERALEX on Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:27 pm

there are two aspects to carping, the fishing and the catching.

as for myself the fishing has to have the right ambiance, and the catching is a bonus, of any size,

its nice to up your PB, as well Very Happy





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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by TomL on Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:17 pm

I think it comes down to the lake and stock but more bait is deffinately going in lakes more than before !

I think this is where people who are catching on "singles" do well as they are probably fishing on/over loads of the last guys bait !

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by HAPPYANGLERALEX on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:16 pm

TomL wrote:I think it comes down to the lake and stock but more bait is deffinately going in lakes more than before !

I think this is where people who are catching on "singles" do well as they are probably fishing on/over loads of the last guys bait !

right, every swim has bait in it from the previous carpers then yourself, then after you are gone, the next carper 365.

was there a life before boilies? confused
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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Bigbadjon on Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:47 pm

[quote="HAPPYANGLERALEX"]
TomL wrote:

was there a life before boilies? confused

Yep potatoes, still doing the bizz nowadays, great over a bed of peas Very Happy

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by HAPPYANGLERALEX on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:19 pm

so would a close season help our catches ie 3 months no feeding? giving the carp a rest from over feeding?
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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by TomL on Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:08 pm

I do miss the close season but I also enjoy the best fishing time IMO , but I do think a close season would benefit us in catch rate terms .

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Danny on Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:10 pm

I do miss the excitement around the old close season, getting down the lake, bbq with the other anglers couple of beers and then waiting for that bell to ring at midnight.

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by HAPPYANGLERALEX on Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:54 pm

Danny wrote:I do miss the excitement around the old close season, getting down the lake, bbq with the other anglers couple of beers and then waiting for that bell to ring at midnight.


how about, say one month, april time too tend to banks, etc. and a rest for the fish, and no pre-baiting? start of season 1st may.
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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by Danny on Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:26 pm

Re: Are we overbaiting?
by HAPPYANGLERALEX Today at 2:54 pm

how about, say one month, april time too tend to banks, etc. and a rest for the fish, and no pre-baiting? start of season 1st may..


Yep i think it would do the fish good, too many numpties who take advantage of the spawning period and cast to a large shoal that are blatantly spawning and fish at all costs.

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Re: Are we overbaiting?

Post by HAPPYANGLERALEX on Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:55 pm

got to agree, targeting carp full of spawn, to claim a pb is just not on as the carp is not in its normal state.

nor should it be claimed as a record.
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